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	<title>Comments on: Rhetoric and the impalement of bankers</title>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that it is a good enough explanation of the behavior. But it was a thoroughly silly response to my statement, which was meant to be interpreted as an expression of rage. It&#039;s as if someone were to say &quot;Well, of course he killed the  fourteen schoolgirls. He couldn&#039;t afford to be identified.&quot; The NPR statement is &lt;i&gt;true&lt;/i&gt;, but the NPT framing (problematology) is objectionable.

I&#039;d say about the same about the police. Framing the issue primarily as an inconvenient paperwork problem shows a pretty twisted awareness, and I suspect that there was something more behind it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that it is a good enough explanation of the behavior. But it was a thoroughly silly response to my statement, which was meant to be interpreted as an expression of rage. It&#8217;s as if someone were to say &#8220;Well, of course he killed the  fourteen schoolgirls. He couldn&#8217;t afford to be identified.&#8221; The NPR statement is <i>true</i>, but the NPT framing (problematology) is objectionable.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say about the same about the police. Framing the issue primarily as an inconvenient paperwork problem shows a pretty twisted awareness, and I suspect that there was something more behind it.</p>
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		<title>By: bianca steele</title>
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		<dc:creator>bianca steele</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 04:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,
Nice explanation.  But how do you know the NPR person thought what you&#039;re attributing to them?  What I mean is, suppose it seems to be a good enough explanation of behavior I wouldn&#039;t be able to explain any other way.  On the other hand, someone might just be argumentative.

Rich,
I&#039;ve seen the same newspaper stories, and unfortunately, it seems plausible enough that the cops really haven&#039;t been given adequate instructions, and can&#039;t get anything done about it unless they complain to the press.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,<br />
Nice explanation.  But how do you know the NPR person thought what you&#8217;re attributing to them?  What I mean is, suppose it seems to be a good enough explanation of behavior I wouldn&#8217;t be able to explain any other way.  On the other hand, someone might just be argumentative.</p>
<p>Rich,<br />
I&#8217;ve seen the same newspaper stories, and unfortunately, it seems plausible enough that the cops really haven&#8217;t been given adequate instructions, and can&#8217;t get anything done about it unless they complain to the press.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/428/#comment-235</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 02:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that we should help HIV mothers and their children. That being said, we are (in my opinion) increasingly a nation of people who are into instant gratification and screw any negative consequences. Concepts of right and wrong and good and evil have become so corrupted that anything goes. Situational ethics made right and wrong compromised concepts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that we should help HIV mothers and their children. That being said, we are (in my opinion) increasingly a nation of people who are into instant gratification and screw any negative consequences. Concepts of right and wrong and good and evil have become so corrupted that anything goes. Situational ethics made right and wrong compromised concepts.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/428/#comment-224</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 21:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, I&#039;ve never thought of you as a faux-apodictic educated, thoughtful, sophisticated NPR person skilled in quibbling and confusionism &lt;i&gt;at all&lt;/i&gt;! Never! Instead I think of someone who&#039;s trying to help Delong escape from the toxic paradigm imposed on him in grad school.  

If you wish to be dissociated from my seemingly  (but not really!) murderous posts, I could shift your link from &quot;Friends&quot; to &quot;Where We Troll&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, I&#8217;ve never thought of you as a faux-apodictic educated, thoughtful, sophisticated NPR person skilled in quibbling and confusionism <i>at all</i>! Never! Instead I think of someone who&#8217;s trying to help Delong escape from the toxic paradigm imposed on him in grad school.  </p>
<p>If you wish to be dissociated from my seemingly  (but not really!) murderous posts, I could shift your link from &#8220;Friends&#8221; to &#8220;Where We Troll&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Waldmann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Waldmann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 03:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my I&#039;ve been faux apodictic for all my life and never new.

I think I&#039;m going to sign my name

Robert Waldmann self-aware quibbler and confusionist

From now on.  Ah if only I had the guts to claim to be skilled.

OK I admit it.  Sometimes I&#039;m an educated, thoughtful, sophisticated NPR person, but usually I just act dumb to amuse myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my I&#8217;ve been faux apodictic for all my life and never new.</p>
<p>I think I&#8217;m going to sign my name</p>
<p>Robert Waldmann self-aware quibbler and confusionist</p>
<p>From now on.  Ah if only I had the guts to claim to be skilled.</p>
<p>OK I admit it.  Sometimes I&#8217;m an educated, thoughtful, sophisticated NPR person, but usually I just act dumb to amuse myself.</p>
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		<title>By: agm</title>
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		<dc:creator>agm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Feb 2009 00:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This, good man, has been passed along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This, good man, has been passed along.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Puchalsky</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/428/#comment-221</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Puchalsky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 21:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, it&#039;s funny how the sympathy goes.  Everyone loves a financial con man.  They&#039;re so respectable, and so sorry when they&#039;re caught.

Meanwhile, around the state where I live (Massachusetts) decriminalization of marijuana possession, I heard the statistic that Massachusetts alone imprisoned more than 6,000 people for nonviolent possession (not sale) of drugs last year.  Can you even imagine how many people 6,000 people is?  It&#039;s more people than you&#039;ll know in a lifetime, for most values of &quot;know&quot;.

And the cops are all worried about what they&#039;re going to do about this new decriminalization.  From &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/01/03/police_balk_at_ticketing_marijuana_offenders/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;:

&quot;Police say they have two main problems with the law.

Many complain that their current citation books lack a check-off box for marijuana possession and they have yet to receive updated ticket books, although temporary forms are available through a state website.

More fundamentally, they complain that officers have no way of determining the identity of people they stop on the street for smoking marijuana. Before the law was changed, officers could arrest them, or threaten them with arrest to force them to show identification. Now, they say they cannot force users to show IDs, and cannot arrest them if they refuse to identify themselves. &quot;

No ticket books with the correct check mark!  It&#039;s like something out of an absurdist play.  There&#039;s a true face of America, right there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, it&#8217;s funny how the sympathy goes.  Everyone loves a financial con man.  They&#8217;re so respectable, and so sorry when they&#8217;re caught.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, around the state where I live (Massachusetts) decriminalization of marijuana possession, I heard the statistic that Massachusetts alone imprisoned more than 6,000 people for nonviolent possession (not sale) of drugs last year.  Can you even imagine how many people 6,000 people is?  It&#8217;s more people than you&#8217;ll know in a lifetime, for most values of &#8220;know&#8221;.</p>
<p>And the cops are all worried about what they&#8217;re going to do about this new decriminalization.  From <a href="http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/01/03/police_balk_at_ticketing_marijuana_offenders/" rel="nofollow">here</a>:</p>
<p>&#8220;Police say they have two main problems with the law.</p>
<p>Many complain that their current citation books lack a check-off box for marijuana possession and they have yet to receive updated ticket books, although temporary forms are available through a state website.</p>
<p>More fundamentally, they complain that officers have no way of determining the identity of people they stop on the street for smoking marijuana. Before the law was changed, officers could arrest them, or threaten them with arrest to force them to show identification. Now, they say they cannot force users to show IDs, and cannot arrest them if they refuse to identify themselves. &#8221;</p>
<p>No ticket books with the correct check mark!  It&#8217;s like something out of an absurdist play.  There&#8217;s a true face of America, right there.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/428/#comment-220</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:44:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was a pitiful story here about a church group that got sucked into a puny little $50 million pyramid scam. Even the prosecutor felt sorry for one of the terribly remorseful but utterly clueless defendants, even though he was clearly guilty under the law, and even though he&#039;d destroyed the retirement plans of dozens of people he knew personally. 

But he was a honky of the honkies, so he got a lot of unearned sympathy and indulgence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was a pitiful story here about a church group that got sucked into a puny little $50 million pyramid scam. Even the prosecutor felt sorry for one of the terribly remorseful but utterly clueless defendants, even though he was clearly guilty under the law, and even though he&#8217;d destroyed the retirement plans of dozens of people he knew personally. </p>
<p>But he was a honky of the honkies, so he got a lot of unearned sympathy and indulgence.</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/428/#comment-219</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 15:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to reply to that, but got (even more)  distracted (than usual).

I think that a lot of the malefactors are caught in a mush of wishful thinking, testosterone, magical thinking, partial understanding, excessive self-love, ambition, tunnel vision, etc., so that they may not think at all about the consequences for others. Other malefactors are predatory and proud, Randians and Social Darwinists, etc. The first group might actually fit the &quot;non-agency&quot; model we&#039;ve argued about, but they&#039;re still culpable malefactors and I think that in all cases there were moments when they knew what they were doing.

But sophisticated, state-of-the-art, amphetamine-powered math, and multi-layered derivatives that no one really understood, certainly made the self-serving ignorance and misuderstanding easier to attain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to reply to that, but got (even more)  distracted (than usual).</p>
<p>I think that a lot of the malefactors are caught in a mush of wishful thinking, testosterone, magical thinking, partial understanding, excessive self-love, ambition, tunnel vision, etc., so that they may not think at all about the consequences for others. Other malefactors are predatory and proud, Randians and Social Darwinists, etc. The first group might actually fit the &#8220;non-agency&#8221; model we&#8217;ve argued about, but they&#8217;re still culpable malefactors and I think that in all cases there were moments when they knew what they were doing.</p>
<p>But sophisticated, state-of-the-art, amphetamine-powered math, and multi-layered derivatives that no one really understood, certainly made the self-serving ignorance and misuderstanding easier to attain.</p>
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		<title>By: politicalfootball</title>
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		<dc:creator>politicalfootball</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 14:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I take this post to be a tactful demolition of &lt;a href=&quot;http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/a-funny-math-joke-just-destroyed-half-of-everything/#comment-214&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comment&lt;/a&gt;, but I can&#039;t resist adding a link to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/26/AR2009022603926.html?hpid=topnews&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this article&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I take this post to be a tactful demolition of <a href="http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/24/a-funny-math-joke-just-destroyed-half-of-everything/#comment-214" rel="nofollow">this comment</a>, but I can&#8217;t resist adding a link to <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/26/AR2009022603926.html?hpid=topnews" rel="nofollow">this article</a>.</p>
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