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	<description>It's our turn, motherfucker.</description>
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		<title>By: Animal Spirits and The Confidence Man &#171; Trollblog</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/the-finance-tweakers-are-crashing-on-us/#comment-805</link>
		<dc:creator>Animal Spirits and The Confidence Man &#171; Trollblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Sep 2009 12:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &#8220;The tweakers are crashing on us&#8221;: was the irrational exuberance chemically enhanced? And if so, does this mean that we should start pee-testing contestants for the Bank of Sweden Prize? Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)the human spiritEcclesiastes 3:18-22   &#160; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] &#8220;The tweakers are crashing on us&#8221;: was the irrational exuberance chemically enhanced? And if so, does this mean that we should start pee-testing contestants for the Bank of Sweden Prize? Possibly related posts: (automatically generated)the human spiritEcclesiastes 3:18-22   &nbsp; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/the-finance-tweakers-are-crashing-on-us/#comment-743</link>
		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:26:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve said as much as I know. It&#039;s less than a hypothesis and more than a joke. I&#039;m not really claiming that drug use was causal, just that toxic optimism was a factor, possible involving drug use, and that the tweak-and-crash cycle is similar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve said as much as I know. It&#8217;s less than a hypothesis and more than a joke. I&#8217;m not really claiming that drug use was causal, just that toxic optimism was a factor, possible involving drug use, and that the tweak-and-crash cycle is similar.</p>
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		<title>By: Eman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding this issue, did you catch the recent article in &quot;Nature&quot; which called for more widespread and &#039;responsible&#039; use of these uppers? - http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v456/n7223/full/456702a.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding this issue, did you catch the recent article in &#8220;Nature&#8221; which called for more widespread and &#8216;responsible&#8217; use of these uppers? &#8211; <a href="http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v456/n7223/full/456702a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v456/n7223/full/456702a.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Eman</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/the-finance-tweakers-are-crashing-on-us/#comment-740</link>
		<dc:creator>Eman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 12:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fascinating post and hypothesis.  Care to say any more about it in a new post?

There does indeed to be rampant and irresponsible use of these &#039;legal speed&#039; ADD/ADHD drugs amongst the American elite...and it&#039;s not difficult to see how these drugs could have skewed and warped their judgment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fascinating post and hypothesis.  Care to say any more about it in a new post?</p>
<p>There does indeed to be rampant and irresponsible use of these &#8216;legal speed&#8217; ADD/ADHD drugs amongst the American elite&#8230;and it&#8217;s not difficult to see how these drugs could have skewed and warped their judgment.</p>
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		<title>By: Novus Ordo Seclorum &#171; Trollblog</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/the-finance-tweakers-are-crashing-on-us/#comment-723</link>
		<dc:creator>Novus Ordo Seclorum &#171; Trollblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 May 2009 18:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] (More: The tweakers are crashing on us We are living in Greenspan&#8217;s experiment A funny math joke just destroyed half of everything)    &#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dr. Psycho</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/the-finance-tweakers-are-crashing-on-us/#comment-251</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Psycho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 18:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be interesting to install a diversion system that would direct everything that went into brokerage urinals into a collecting vessel for future study.

A sufficiently sophisticated system could collect individual specimens, but really we&#039;re more interested in epidemiology here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be interesting to install a diversion system that would direct everything that went into brokerage urinals into a collecting vessel for future study.</p>
<p>A sufficiently sophisticated system could collect individual specimens, but really we&#8217;re more interested in epidemiology here.</p>
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		<title>By: A funny math joke just destroyed half of everything &#171; Trollblog</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/the-finance-tweakers-are-crashing-on-us/#comment-211</link>
		<dc:creator>A funny math joke just destroyed half of everything &#171; Trollblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 14:56:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ;Should there be pee testing?    &#160; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: John Emerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Emerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 21:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Douglas, I&#039;m not trying to figure out who uses the most speed. I&#039;m trying to figure out why finance behaved the way it did. We know that low level tweakers fuck up a lot  of what they do (though at the same time, routine, repetitive tasks can be done better with the help of a bit of meth) We also know that a lot of high-achievers use a lot of mood enhancers and energy-enhancers. 

So I was speculating that maybe widespread use of mood-enhancers within the rather small finance-finance media-think tank communities, reinforced and multiplied by social-psychological effects,  might have affected their collective judgment. 

As far as I know, there&#039;s no community where finance-finance media- think tanks comprise a major demographic citywide. I suppose that if you could tap a sewer pipe immediately downstream from Wall Street you might get something. But in truth, I&#039;m not putting much energy into testing this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Douglas, I&#8217;m not trying to figure out who uses the most speed. I&#8217;m trying to figure out why finance behaved the way it did. We know that low level tweakers fuck up a lot  of what they do (though at the same time, routine, repetitive tasks can be done better with the help of a bit of meth) We also know that a lot of high-achievers use a lot of mood enhancers and energy-enhancers. </p>
<p>So I was speculating that maybe widespread use of mood-enhancers within the rather small finance-finance media-think tank communities, reinforced and multiplied by social-psychological effects,  might have affected their collective judgment. </p>
<p>As far as I know, there&#8217;s no community where finance-finance media- think tanks comprise a major demographic citywide. I suppose that if you could tap a sewer pipe immediately downstream from Wall Street you might get something. But in truth, I&#8217;m not putting much energy into testing this.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant to say:
If it’s just some set of professions, that should show up in a water test: New York probably has Philly&#039;s set of professionals &lt;em&gt;plus&lt;/em&gt; finance guys.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant to say:<br />
If it’s just some set of professions, that should show up in a water test: New York probably has Philly&#8217;s set of professionals <em>plus</em> finance guys.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Knight</title>
		<link>http://trollblog.wordpress.com/2008/12/15/the-finance-tweakers-are-crashing-on-us/#comment-188</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Knight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure what you&#039;re saying. 

If you&#039;re saying that everyone uses speed, well, that&#039;s not much of a theory. They&#039;re only human! (It&#039;s something of a theory if everyone used to use cocaine and now everyone uses speed.) If it&#039;s just MDs and financiers, that should show up in a water test.

If you&#039;re saying that very few people use speed, so it shouldn&#039;t show up in the water, then you have to explain why this matters to finance and not to medicine. It&#039;s certainly true that power is more concentrated in finance than medicine (though I&#039;d say that&#039;s more about NY financiers being more important than others, rather than concentration within NY), but you have to explain why the powerful ones are the ones with impaired judgement. Certainly, the rapid career path could select for speed users and fail to offer feedback to teach people how to compensate for the impaired judgement. But I tend to think it&#039;s the underlings working 80 hour weeks who use speed more than the bosses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure what you&#8217;re saying. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re saying that everyone uses speed, well, that&#8217;s not much of a theory. They&#8217;re only human! (It&#8217;s something of a theory if everyone used to use cocaine and now everyone uses speed.) If it&#8217;s just MDs and financiers, that should show up in a water test.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re saying that very few people use speed, so it shouldn&#8217;t show up in the water, then you have to explain why this matters to finance and not to medicine. It&#8217;s certainly true that power is more concentrated in finance than medicine (though I&#8217;d say that&#8217;s more about NY financiers being more important than others, rather than concentration within NY), but you have to explain why the powerful ones are the ones with impaired judgement. Certainly, the rapid career path could select for speed users and fail to offer feedback to teach people how to compensate for the impaired judgement. But I tend to think it&#8217;s the underlings working 80 hour weeks who use speed more than the bosses.</p>
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